Curse

Cathode_Reborn · Sep 28, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Just find it hilarious that the consensus here is opposite of the HA meta.

If HB wasn't meta among tank'n'spank teams, I imagine it'd get alot less hate. I'm still trying to figure out why HB is "bad".

I also think there's way too much of this going in GW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6LH10-3H8k

-Lotus- · Sep 28, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

If HB wasn't meta among tank'n'spank teams, I imagine it'd get alot less hate. I'm still trying to figure out why HB is "bad".

HB promotes pure-healing or at least not strictly hybrid play. anything other than a hybrid monk is bad. there is virtually no advantage to having 2 more attributes in heal/prot that you lose by going hybrid. there is no advantage to being pure healing as every skill does the same thing and the only reason to use multiple heals is to cover your recharges. we've been over this multiple times in multiple threads.

Snorph · Sep 28, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I like to use Divine Healing because it costs less energy rather then using heal party. However Divine Healing has a longer recharge.
Use that along with WOH and I am good to go.

Either Divine Healing or Healing Party will be descent along with WOH.

With a monk I like to use skills that do close to the same skill that cost more energy. If that makes sence. Go for skills that cost less energy and have almost the same effect. Exspecially for a monk.

Trylo · Sep 28, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Snorph

I like to use Divine Healing because it costs less energy rather then using heal party. However Divine Healing has a longer recharge.
Use that along with WOH and I am good to go.

Either Divine Healing or Healing Party will be descent along with WOH.

With a monk I like to use skills that do close to the same skill that cost more energy. If that makes sence. Go for skills that cost less energy and have almost the same effect. Exspecially for a monk.

heal party heals for around 50% more. heal party has a negligible recharge. heal party heals everyone in a very large radius.

they dont have "almost the same effect."

also, divine favor is generally not that great of an attribute to spec heavily into.

Burst Cancel · Sep 28, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Just find it hilarious that the consensus here is opposite of the HA meta.

Given that HA, GvG, RA, PvE, AB, etc. are all different environments, I don't see how this is surprising, rather than, say, entirely expected.

JDRyder · Sep 29, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

If HB wasn't meta among tank'n'spank teams, I imagine it'd get alot less hate. I'm still trying to figure out why HB is "bad".

I also think there's way too much of this going in GW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6LH10-3H8k

no the reason people hate it is cause its bad. Has nothing to do with who uses it for what, Woh is better for many reasons even power healing. HB is just a bar of a bunch of skills that do the same thing, Woh bars can do every thing.

We Dont Accept · Oct 07, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

woh=energy management
lod=nerf or gg
Hb=heavy heal+rc=survive+3rd monk=why die?

Epic Monkey Battle · Oct 08, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

So you're taking an elite to power 1 heal? You are taking HB to power PS. When 1 skill (WoH) out performs something you are taking 2 skills for. The heal on cure hex is still godly w/o hb and with a 40/40 set you still achieve a 1/2 removal a good amount of the time. And if you have a n/rt healer as you say you do, it should have PwK, so you dont need HP.

valence · Oct 09, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Epic Monkey Battle

So you're taking an elite to power 1 heal? You are taking HB to power PS. When 1 skill (WoH) out performs something you are taking 2 skills for. The heal on cure hex is still godly w/o hb and with a 40/40 set you still achieve a 1/2 removal a good amount of the time. And if you have a n/rt healer as you say you do, it should have PwK, so you dont need HP.

you cannot compare woh outhealing heal party, the uses of the two builds are for entirely different builds / areas.

also to the numerous amount of people saying that his hb bar fails cause of prot need to read the skills on his bar, the real problem imo with that bar is no on demand heal.

the hb bar he posted is a very viable bar, if the heal party is needed on a monk.

DarkEnzanArikado · Oct 09, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

I heard learning how to prot is pretty awesome in this game. Pure healing is bad, you waste more energy trying to get red bars up then just protting them to prevent the red bars from going down.

Epic Monkey Battle · Oct 09, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by valence

you cannot compare woh outhealing heal party, the uses of the two builds are for entirely different builds / areas.

also to the numerous amount of people saying that his hb bar fails cause of prot need to read the skills on his bar, the real problem imo with that bar is no on demand heal.

the hb bar he posted is a very viable bar, if the heal party is needed on a monk.

I'm pretty sure the discussion was about hybrid bars, not a heal party spam bar. Besides HB + Heal Party usually over heals, which is a waste of energy. If you really want the party heal on a hybrid, as said before take LoD.

Yes HB is used in certain areas... still doesn't make it a good skill (a good skill, being something that promotes player skill over button mash, HB being a mindless button mash bar)

Back on topic, I still think HB is a wasted elite for hybrid bar.

Teutonic Paladin · Oct 09, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Epic Monkey Battle

I'm pretty sure the discussion was about hybrid bars, not a heal party spam bar. Besides HB + Heal Party usually over heals, which is a waste of energy. If you really want the party heal on a hybrid, as said before take LoD.

Yes HB is used in certain areas... still doesn't make it a good skill (a good skill, being something that promotes player skill over button mash, HB being a mindless button mash bar)

Back on topic, I still think HB is a wasted elite for hybrid bar.

Even over healing, 15e for 800 points of healing is ridiculously strong. Especially for the skill required to use it. I'm not sure which elite is better, but HB certainly requires a lot less effort for the same results.

Epic Monkey Battle · Oct 09, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Teutonic Paladin

Even over healing, 15e for 800 points of healing is ridiculously strong. Especially for the lack of skill required to use it. I'm not sure which elite is better, but HB certainly requires a lot less effort for the same results.

fixed.

besides, look at aegis 15e to reduce probably more than 800 damage...

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Oct 09, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

It should be pretty obvious that HB is a bad elite.

I could go on for pages over the RAAAAAAAAAAAGE I have for HB, but the reason its bad is simple: An elite skill that requires 5/8 skills on your bar to be devoted to it is a BAD ELITE.

In short: It completely consumes your entire bar, it defines your entire bar.

For those who like charts:

WoH Bar:
Skill 1: Word of Healing
Skill 2: [Optional]
Skill 3: [Optional]
Skill 4: [Optional]
Skill 5: [Optional]
Skill 6: [Optional]
Skill 7: [Optional]
Skill 8: [Optional]

HB Bar:
Skill 1: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 2: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 3: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 4: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 5: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 6: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 7: HEALER'S BOON
Skill 8: HEALER'S BOON

Also: Hi @ Tyla

valence · Oct 10, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Epic Monkey Battle

I'm pretty sure the discussion was about hybrid bars, not a heal party spam bar. Besides HB + Heal Party usually over heals, which is a waste of energy. If you really want the party heal on a hybrid, as said before take LoD.

Yes HB is used in certain areas... still doesn't make it a good skill (a good skill, being something that promotes player skill over button mash, HB being a mindless button mash bar)

Back on topic, I still think HB is a wasted elite for hybrid bar.

since when is healing not part of a hybrid bar? a lod bar has its own issues, no strong spot heals being imo the biggest, while the party heal is good, you will need duallod to beat hb for party wide support (tho a lot of fun to play). being able to dish out strong party heals is good (300/15e), no way anyone can argue about that, if you can throw in some prots the more power to it. spamming hp is mindless, pretty much ye, doesnt say anything about the strength nor the usefullness of a bar. as a member of [VH] you should know that.

this is neither a discussion about what makes a skill healthy, so basically your only argument is that lod is better then hb. i geuss whichever you want, comes down to preference.

stop comparing a single build while it depends more on the team (having offmonk party heals makes hb absolute, while lod is still ok).

Epic Monkey Battle · Oct 10, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

I was just stating that HB + HP spam does not promote player skill and wastes energy by over healing. Whereas if you pay attention to who is getting attacked/pressured pre prots are more useful and more energy efficient.

When I take a monk bar, I want it to be efficient. Taking an elite enchantment to power 1 or 2 skills seems like a bad idea to me, the majority of times WoH is all that is needed to heal if you are even decent at protting and party heals should not be an issue.

I do understand why pugs like HB tho, PUGS are bad and like to go solo things, so when you have 6 people trying to fight 6 things, party heals are good. I would just rather h/h, guild or f-list and use a decent bar.

valence · Oct 10, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

A bad player with hb will overheal, but then again he would play the bar in a terrible way. HB/HP is an excellent bar for any area with degen (either through heavy condition / hexes), the point of the bar is keep things from dieing, then glyph everybody up to full. Glyph HB is not the average channel ha tanker, and should not be played like that. That said, HB is simply not a good choice for a lot of areas/team builds. HB's usage is very situational, but still very viable while keeping the most important prots on the bar.

I don't disagree WoH is a better choice if the need for partyheals is simply not there, or when it is not needed on the monk (with all those pots running rampant).

Age · Oct 10, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

I would say some Monks out there have superior runes on them and over heal with WoH as it is easy to spam.It is not so hard to do with high points in healing and devine favour.

X Black Chaos X · Oct 11, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

I've been playing HB over a year, trust me it takes skill to micro ur monk to use that WoH. Most of them don't do anything when u target urself or other hero unless u force them. In HB your almost always under pressure every match (unless u have lamer) everyone spams WoH becuase it's cheap and fast recharge

Div · Oct 11, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

Healers boon has failed me before. True story.

Therefore it sucks.

If you really need an explanation, read any of my posts from back when I cared to explain in detail.